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If you want to have student loans for thirty years, you can! If, on the other hand, you’re curious about the benefits of paying them off sooner, consider this run-down from The White Coat Investor. In this article I’ll share some ways to minimize your student debt to begin with. Jump in wherever you are in your own educational journey, by skimming for headings. If you minimize the loans you take out, it’ll be the much easier to slay them later!
There are countless resources available for each individual’s repayment scenario, from the best place to refinance, to the mechanics of public service loan forgiveness. Your journey won’t look exactly like mine. My hope is to inspire you to adopt this financial goal, if you haven’t already. The following is a victory lap, er, recounting of how I did it, including the mistakes and wins along the way.
Tuition at many private institutions now tops $50-60 thousand per year. Before signing up, reconsider your options. My mom and aunt attended Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey, so as a soon-to-be high school graduate, I thought I wanted to go somewhere more exciting, farther from home. I looked at Ithaca College, a private school in upstate New York, and Lehigh University in Pennsylvania.
Then I visited Cook College, next to my mom’s alma mater, Douglas, and really liked it. I could earn a science degree among Food Science and Animal Science majors! Cheese Wiz was invented here! With campus located an hour and a half from home, I’d still be able to test my independence. Enticingly, Rutgers automatically slashed tuition according to a student’s high school class rank and SAT score. This was free money. With the help of a part-time job and a small stash of leftover child support, I left college debt free.
At the age of three, I told my Aunt Marie I wanted to be a surgeon. In high school, volunteering in a local emergency room, I wanted to be a physician’s assistant or physical therapist, as I saw people who looked like me (women) working in those roles. By sophomore year of college, I realized I was smart and motivated enough to become a medical doctor. I applied to a joint BA/MD program with UMDNJ, the University of Medicine and Dentistry, across the river from Cook College. I was selected, and thus had the privilege of taking first year med school coursework during my junior and senior years of college, helping to minimize my future student debt.
The campus bus shuttled me back and forth between college and medical school. Some courses even counted toward both degrees. I took the first year medical biochemistry course, and passed by the skin of my teeth. Toiling to improve my performance paid off. I could matriculate as a true second year medical student upon graduating from college. In addition to pushing my academic limits and introducing me to my older, more sophisticated new peers, entering the BA/MD program saved me at least twenty thousand dollars and a year’s time.
The MCAT, the medical college admissions test, was not required to apply to the BA/MD program, so I was spared having to prepare for or take it. This saved time and money. Instead of paying application fees and traveling around the country to many medical schools, I applied to one. Some students with early or strong applications could consider conserving resources in this way.
Before embarking on a prospective career path, compare the ratio of the anticipated educational debt to the expected yearly income. On The White Coat Investor Podcast, Dr. Dahle explains this concept, in the context of a orthodontist whose student debt grew to surpass a million dollars. Episode 59 of the podcast, entitled “Is Dr. Mike Meru Crazy?” expounds on the utility of this analysis. Improve the debt side of the ratio by attending the highest quality, least expensive schools available. Having an idea of this ratio will help to determine how quickly you’ll ultimately be able to repay your loans.
Two brilliant students got full scholarships to Robert Wood Johnson Medical School each year, and some students were financed by family. I was not in either camp. With the benefit of the BA/MD program, however, my final debt landed at the class median that year. By taking steps to minimize my student debt along the way, I got my Medical Doctorate owing one hundred thirty-six thousand dollars.
Before the days of remaining on a parent’s health plan into one’s late twenties, I had a catastrophic insurance policy. This would cover fifty thousand dollars of care, should I land in the hospital from too much Jungle Juice. For health maintenance, I utilized the college’s student health center. It was free. Later, I got exams at Planned Parenthood. I continued to use their services through residency, benefiting from their sliding scale payment model. Since a graduate student in 2018 is likely to age out of their parent’s health plan, a contemporary approach to healthcare coverage during this stage may include a heavily subsidized health plan on a public exchange, or a high deductible health plan with a health savings account.
I interviewed at many programs in and around New York City, but worried about the high cost of living. It would be exciting to live there, but not as a poor resident. There would be limited time and money for experiencing the city anyway. So I ranked the best training programs on my list, which were located in lower cost of living areas, to help minimize my debt burden and maximize my chance of getting ahead financially.
A couple of years into residency, my loan servicer notified me I would soon enter repayment. I had hoped the balance would sit there until the end of training, like a sacred offering to the education gods. But given the choices I’d made so far, I had some extra money, and I started paying. I rented a drafty apartment in a historic building. Furnished with a couple new things and Craigslist finds, it was comfortable, and within my means.
A co-resident, on the other hand, lived in a polished apartment with matching furniture, in a trendy building nearby. So I was surprised when I found out his student loans were in forbearance. He felt unable to start repaying his loans during residency. Some residents don’t realize that in forbearance, interest continues to accrue and compound. It may seem the lender is granting a temporary forgiveness with forbearance- but it doesn’t come for free. It is a trap which leads borrowers to pay a greater amount interest over time. If you can start paying your loans during residency, I recommend it.
Between intern year and the start of residency, I had one week to move across the country. Sadly, this meant letting go of my first car, a trusty ’96 Honda Accord. I sold it on Craigslist to an elated teen boy. Meanwhile, on the East Coast, my mom found me a lightly used Mazda for twenty thousand dollars. Could I have purchased a cheaper vehicle? Probably. Mom’s influence meant I got one nearly new, and fully loaded, to match her “you deserve it” mentality. Owning the Mazda outright became one of my earliest financial goals. I paid it off as fast as I could, and drive it to this day, 10 years later.
Technology has brought about wonderful opportunities to save on expenses like transportation. Today, even someone with limited time or in a remote area could peruse countless used vehicles on the internet. Development of ride share services, available within minutes via the ubiquitous smart phone, make owning a personal vehicle unnecessary in some places. If I found myself in a small city like Providence again, I could get rid of my car, and rely on a combination of bicycle, Uber and Amtrak.
Interest rates from the first half of medical school in 2005-2006 were consolidated at 2.5%. Loans from the clinical years were fixed at 4.5%. A private loan for residency interview expenses topped 7%. Sadly, today’s higher education loans can reflect an interest rate closer to that of my private loan. It’s no fun to look at these enormous balances, which barely seem to budge in the face of regular payments. I plodded forward, initially paying mostly interest, and throwing extra funds toward the principal balance when I could.
I attacked the highest interest rate, while paying the required minimum amount on each of the remaining loans. By focusing on the most expensive loan, it became satisfying to see the balance decrease with my successive overpayments. When the private loan was eliminated, I took a breath, and set my sights on the federal loan bearing the next highest interest rate.
The average resident now earns $59,300 per year, according to Medscape’s 2018 Residents Salary and Debt Report. This is close to the median US household income of sixty-one thousand per year. Yet some residents struggle to repay their loans. I can tell you some of the things I did to squeeze that resident salary, and minimize the effect of capitalized interest on my student loans.
We got a small meal card allowance for the hospital cafeteria each month. Once it was used up, I ate whole wheat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch. It was cheap, easy way to fuel me. After stacking multiple sandwiches in the freezer, I grabbed one on my way out each morning, and it thawed in my bag by lunchtime. Occasionally I splurged on lunch at Au Bon Pain, but my default lunch was PB&J for two years.
How did I minimize my expenses in training? I did not have a gym membership; I exercised outside. Living in downtown Providence, I was located about 4 miles from the hospital. Therefore, I walked or biked many places instead of driving. I was close enough to the train station to walk with luggage for a weekend get away. I did not subscribe to satellite radio, or have a TV. Therefore, I had no radio, cable, Tivo bills. A friend of mine, also a resident, struggled with Tivo addiction. It saved her time, she said, not having to watch commercials. I did not start a family. I bought no property. Abstaining from these activities helped me accumulate cash so that I could hit my loans again and again.
I read a lot in residency, and was often more productive when I left my apartment. I realized I could use the library at the Rhode Island School of Design because of my affiliation with Brown University. This cavernous space, formerly a grand bank building, was located just a few blocks from where I lived. There, I could study with a city view through beautiful domed windows, in a gorgeous space funded by other people’s tuition money.
I never developed an espresso habit, at four bucks a drink. When I went to a coffee shop for a change of scenery, I’d buy a drip coffee or tea as the price of admission, and loiter for hours. I imagined myself a sort of trainee-vagabond. Fortunately, my good friend and study buddy was a like-minded, frugal girl who didn’t peer pressure me to spend more, or to buy the sad, overpriced convenience food.
Another perk of residency, Brown paid for a meal out, if we signed up to accompany applicants to dinner during their interviews. We could attend as many of these events as we wanted during interview season. We could order a drink, plenty of calamari, and a piece of fish or steak, without having to pay for any of it. Sometimes, the night devolved into a boozy comedy, resulting in a funny or embarrassing story to recount over the coming weeks. This was free entertainment.
When I traveled to New York to visit friends, I slept on their couches. I spent extra for the business class train ticket, as it was far quieter and more comfortable than a standard car. This meant I could meaningfully study or catch some sleep on the ride. Since both were needed throughout my training, I spent the money with intention.
After residency, my boyfriend and I drove to Los Angeles to embark on a fellowship year at UCLA. We needed housing in short order, and we pounded the pavement on a high pressure search. In a gentrified area of West Los Angeles, central to the three hospitals I would need to get to, we found a rent controlled flat in a concrete 1960s apartment block, for thirteen hundred fifty dollars a month. It was a steal.
We shared my car, meaning I biked to work each day, and Bob slogged through traffic, trying to build his business as a self- employed musician and music teacher. We often cooked at home. When we ate out, it was often at an inexpensive street vendor, or a noodle bar within biking distance. Since I worked forty to eighty hours per week, there was little opportunity to spend money, and we ended up saving money throughout the year.
By the time we relocated to the Southern California desert to begin my first “real job,” my pay was set to increase five-fold. I refinanced with a popular Bay Area servicer. With fifty-five thousand dollars left to go, I reduced my term from twenty-five years to five. My payments increased to north of eight hundred dollars monthly. I seized the variable rate of just under two percent. Knowing the rate could increase put my feet to the fire. I could have chosen a fixed rate around three percent, but I was hungry for the kill, and greedy for the lower rate. After a couple of years, even the five-year term began to drag on. I received regular notices of tiny incremental rate hikes. I hit my principal balance again, with five thousand dollars here, seven thousand dollars there.
You can make paying your loans gratifying, by changing the way you think about it. Paula Pant, founder of Afford Anything, a financial freedom blog and podcast explains how, in her post, “17 Lessons to Improve Your Money & Your Life.” Under heading #3, “Never Delay Gratification,” she describes how to reframe beneficial activities so they become inherently satisfying. When making a payment on my loans, I thought of the instant “return” on my money, realized by reducing my principal balance, and thereby the amount of interest I would have to pay moving forward.
Doctors eat for free where I work. It is easy to take advantage of this perk, given my long hours, and ample working weekends. Some days, I eat three square meals in the cafeteria. This has saved me thousands of dollars per year, freeing up money to pay off student loans.
Catching up with an old roommate over the phone, I was flabbergasted to learn she had paid off her student loans, totaling over one hundred thousand dollars, just two years out of training! I thought I was working hard on vanquishing my loans, while she had already reached the finish line. A competitive spark flashed within me, and I found myself re-energized to obliterate my balance.
Some months later, I was a new parent, and my loan balance had finally fallen to four figures. I decided to make the final payment. Feeling like confetti should have fallen from the sky, I paid the remaining balance. The next screen noted a confirmation code, and that I’d receive a confirmation letter by mail. That was it. Three and a half years out of training, the mortgage on my brain was paid.
There were a thousand small financial decisions along the way. I certainly benefited from the advantages of a middle class upbringing in a suburb with good public schools. I stayed in-state for a low-cost, high quality secondary and graduate education. Given the advantages I had, what could I have done differently to better optimize my debt strategy?
I could have reduced the number of residency and internship interviews, thereby reducing the amount of private loan funds needed for the associated travel. Many were within driving distance, but some required a flight. Thirteen radiology residency interviews later, I could have gotten away with fewer. I was driven by the desire to experience living in different parts of the country while I was unattached. Should I have chosen to move around less during training, I could have saved money. I might still be driving that 1996 Accord!
During training, I bought several new pieces of furniture to help me feel rooted. I was putting a band-aid on my loneliness, trying to placate myself through the competitive years of residency. When the four years ended, my parents took some of the furniture to New Jersey, and I liquidated the rest on Craigslist. In the end, I valued exploring new locations over keeping my possessions. And I paid for it.
I lived alone in residency, and was not organized or motivated enough to optimize my housing costs. Monthly rental for a studio in a crummy neighborhood was eight hundred dollars. I later moved to a larger apartment in a safer location, paying twelve hundred fifty dollars per month. If instead, I’d bought a condo or small house, I could have paid my mortgage with the help of roommates. This idea has been dubbed “house-hacking.” Chad Carson is a master in real estate, who started by house-hacking with his wife. He describes his methods in Episode 16 of the ChooseFI Podcast, entitled, “House Hacking with Coach Carson.” Short of house-hacking, I could have gotten roommates to reduce expenses and minimize my student loans.
On relocating, we rented a condo in Palm Springs for two years. I drooled over the beautiful homes around us. We found a house that checked all our boxes. It even had solar panels, to offset the cost of air-conditioning six months of the year. Now, a couple years into homeownership, and with a recent plumbing disaster under our belt, I can say that owning is leagues more expensive than renting. Between episodes of maintenance and repair, we truly enjoy it. We have friends over often, and even hosted a house concert. It is an enjoyable, though certainly not a frugal way to go.
My husband and I traveled to Europe twice before my loans were paid off. After fellowship, we took a three-week trip through Eastern Europe. We were housed and transported about by family in the Czech Republic for part of the trip, while we spent the rest on a sailboat in Croatia, island hopping with friends. We saved here, and splurged there. In the end, minimizing student debt was key to my success in paying it off.
Recently, I had the startling realization that I hadn’t paid my student loan bill in a while… I momentarily panicked. Then I remembered that that bill was gone forever.
How will you feel when your student debt is history?
Now, take action: Make a plan for those Student loans!
Five years into practice as an attending radiologist, I have negotiated my first contract, multiple pay increases, call compensation, and independent contractor status. I prepared by researching my market value and reading about negotiation strategy. The following are some things I learned along the way. As physicians, we must know our worth, and be able to leverage it in a negotiation.
Over the years, some colleagues have confided that they have not received any pay increases. Since I started at a lower salary, right out of training, I realized that knowing my worth and negotiating would be critical to increasing my salary over time. Not negotiating was not an option.
In 2014, the depressed radiology market worried my co-fellows and I. After sweating the job search for several months, we each received job offers with the same starting salary. We were each able to increase on the starting offer by asking for more. It is intimidating to ask for a pay increase, especially when making a first impression on a new employer. But the practice managers on the other side of the table see medicine as a business, and if you want to be properly compensated, you should too.
Consider your options to counter an initial starting salary offer:
a) Counter offer = (initial offer) * 1.05
b) A number just below the one that will get you laughed out of the room.
c) Something in between
During residency and fellowship, salary is based on one’s “PGY,” or post-graduate year level, with some geographic variation. In this model, trainees don’t negotiate their salaries for three to six formative years! They just accept what is given. Then, when training is over, salary increases to a junior attending level, and multiple variables are added to the salary equation. Therefore, the new attending must know her worth, quickly learning to advocate for herself.
Know your worth, vis a vis:
Knowing these figures is key to avoiding a negotiation hangover.
After a year at my attending job, I prepared to return to the negotiation “table,” albeit over the phone. I was working for a flat salary, and was often asked to work extra weekends for no additional pay. At the time, I figured I was paying my dues. But after that year, there was no question that I had to negotiate for better terms.
My approach was as follows: I considered the difference between average attending pay in my field and where I started. I figured my salary should reach the higher figure in the first five years of practice, if not sooner. Then, I divided the difference between the median and starting salary by five to calculate the yearly raises I’d aim for. It helped to calculate these figures ahead of time. Being familiar with these figures was key to avoiding settling for too little.
Yearly Raise = (Dream salary – Starting Salary)/ Years to partner or peak earning potential
To know your worth, you must talk about pay: with those around you, those you trained with, and colleagues at meetings. Talking about pay helps foster transparency, and can help even the playing field. Women and minorities are particularly vulnerable when transparency is lacking. An analysis by Glassdoor.com in 2016 quantified the gender pay gaps in the US, Great Britain, and Australia, based on their crowd- sourced data. Controlling for various factors, the authors revealed an “adjusted,” or unexplained gender pay gap across various industries, including medicine. Transparency helps women, minorities, and those early in their careers to bargain for optimal compensation.
The following are some online resources to help figure out your market value:
Are you negotiating with a peer, or someone of a different generation? Are there cultural factors at play? I was negotiating with three men, and was the youngest physician in the practice. I was and remain the only female interventional radiologist in the group. These factors can contribute to how attempts at negotiation are perceived. Consider Sheryl Sandberg’s analysis of the “tightrope” women must walk in her best selling book, Lean In.
Put on your thick skin, just in case. I was called “money hungry” for negotiating early in my career. Going into the discussion, this was my worst fear: being criticized for advocating for myself and my family. In the moment, I was non-reactive and business-like. Later, I received an apology. It’s not greedy to negotiate for maximal compensation. It’s smart to know your worth.
After my first year as an attending, my contract negotiation was postponed for months. Decision makers in the group awaited the results of hospital contract negotiations. It was a period of uncertainty, during which my Chief Operating Officer seemed to prepare me for a pay cut. Finally, my contract was reviewed. I was given an increase in call load, and a significant increase in compensation. At that time, waiting for the group to secure its footing with the hospital was a key prerequisite to negotiating my first contract amendment.
Demonstrate the ways in which you are an asset to your group or institution. “Toot your own horn,” as Debra Condren describes in her book, amBITCHous: (def.) A Woman Who: 1. Makes more money 2. has more power 3. gets the recognition she deserves 4. has the determination to go after her dreams. Share any accolades you receive with your boss. When a patient of mine sent a complimentary letter to our hospital CEO, lauding me and my team for providing excellent care, I received a thank you letter from hospital administration. I immediately forwarded the letter to my group’s CEO. His reaction was to praise me as a “star.”
Highlight any flexibility you offer: can you perform high-end interventional services one week and diagnostic services the next? This allows for tremendous flexibility in physician scheduling. Are you the most up to date in a certain area, for example, just out of fellowship at a transplant center? Have you improved the practice through your leadership?
Show your decision- makers evidence of increased referrals, improved departmental efficiency, excellent patient outcomes, or rave reviews from your referring physicians. Presenting yourself as a consistent asset to the group increases leverage at the time of negotiation.
Some institutions pay based on academic rank or other hierarchical factors. If a higher salary is not possible, or even if it is, consider negotiating something else. Like:
At the end of maternity leave, I negotiated an independent contractor agreement. I now have greater control over my schedule, and aim for at least ten weeks off per year.
The contract serves as a framework for the working relationship. It’s important to review it with an attorney, particularly one with experience negotiating physician contracts. This is especially important if you are new to concepts like non-compete clauses, partnerships, buy-ins, or malpractice coverage.
I was initially offered a standard contract used for diagnostic and interventional radiologists. My attorney was able to help shape my agreement to reflect the combination of work I’d be doing as a hospital-based interventional radiologist, in-house diagnostic radiologist, and occasional remote reader. For example, I initially received no call compensation, but negotiated a cap on the number of call weeks I would take that year.
Tail coverage would not be covered by the practice, and was non-negotiable. My attorney helped me to understand the implications of this future cost, should I change jobs. The contract indicated a minimum number of studies to be read in an imaging shift. We added language to protect me from docked pay in the case of factors beyond my control, like low hospital volume.
I found my attorney using an online marketplace called UpCounsel. The contract review included a phone consultation, follow-up emails, and a review of contract revisions. A personal referral to an attorney, particularly in the geographic area you will be working in is ideal, if that is an option for you.
These strategies are not just for exceptional candidates or those with multiple offers. When you know your worth, you can earn the level of compensation you deserve. Variations of the negotiation game can be played in different settings, whether academic or private, diagnostic or interventional, city or countryside.
What strategies have you found helpful in researching your worth, or succeeding at the negotiation table?
This post is inspired by Twitter and the silly threads you’ll see there featuring “wrong answers only.” This kind of thread is often inspired by a funny picture… or one that could have many possible explanations. If you’re not on Twitter yet, head over there to see what I mean, and get a dose of humor. It’s true, some use Twitter like a living curriculum vitae (CV). That’s certainly the case in my field of interventional radiology. The platform lends itself to sharing interesting cases and learning points, especially image-based ones. Even if you’re in a less image-oriented field, there is plenty of #MedEd to be had. Physicians and other healthcare workers post about thought-provoking patient encounters, dealing with difficult situations, and all kinds of advocacy. To be honest, it can be a lot to take in. It’s a cacophony of voices. But those are a couple of reasons Twitter keeps me engaged from time to time, and why you might want to jump on that bird app yourself. And as promised, here are some reasons why I’m successful at work (wrong answers only).
I never have a complication (they happen).
I never miss a diagnosis (we all do).
My perfect hair (it has a different personality each day, and I don’t spend a lot of time fighting it).
My people skills (I try, but I’m still learning).
I smile at staff for no reason (I can’t smile my way through life. It’s not naturally me.)
I floss my teeth at work (…it has to be done, but I try not to get caught)!
You’ll never see me lose my cool. (Um, have you heard practicing medicine can come with some inherent frustrations?)
Everyone likes me (really, some just tolerate me).
I get along with everyone. (I try to find some way to make some small connection with those on my team.)
I’m kind and patient in the IR suite. (In reality, everything is time-sensitive. And you just kinked my wire again, newbie…)
Gender bias is a thing of the past (…sadly, it’s alive and well, but I don’t let it stifle me anymore).
So the next time you think you need to be perfect to succeed in medicine, think of me! I’m proof there’s no need for perfection. We are succeeding when we’re doing the best we can each day (truly). If you need a reminder, make sure you listen to my recording, 7 things to keep you going strong on the path to becoming a doctor. I share some secrets and foibles there.
Hungry for more encouragement and connection? That’s the aim of my new podcast, Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own, which you can consume anywhere you get your podcasts! I’m a fan of the Overcast app, but I’ve used the Apple podcasts app as well. It’s even on Spotify, so now, you can instruct Alexa to fire up an episode of “Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own!”
Please take a moment to drop a comment below, about why you’re successful at work. Wrong answers optional!
You can leave a comment by clicking “hide/show comments” below this post. I love hearing your reactions, thoughts and experiences.
‘Till next time, keep thriving!
What is someone like me, a full-time interventional radiologist, mom, and blogger– what am I doing starting a podcast?? I never thought I would do start one, even when my friends told me I should. A podcast is so much more accessible than a blog because you can listen on the go, they told me. I knew they were right, but to be honest, I was intimidated by the learning curve. And the extra work. But here’s the thing. Hearing the sound of someone else’s trusted voice has helped ME at times when I’ve felt so lonely. And listening to podcasters and leaders has made me feel so connected to others. It’s a powerful medium. And we need connection now more than ever. So I started a podcast. According to my personal mantra, it’s called Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own.
Another driver behind the podcast is that I see LONELINESS in training as a problem. I think this is particularly true for those aspiring to competitive fields, and/ or fields in which there is a prevalent “bro” culture. If you’re a woman, you might feel left out in that kind of environment. That’s why I think projects designed to stamp out loneliness and isolation are the key to thriving in medicine. As an example, check out the Stanford Story Rounds. It’s a regular meeting on campus for students, trainees, and attendings to tell their stories, as a way to build community and support each other. That is what I’m trying to accomplish here, in a way. I think this platform can support women in the traditionally male-dominated fields of medicine.
One day, pre-COVID, I was asked to present a talk at the Medical Students’ Scholars Dinner at the annual meeting of the Society of Interventional Radiology. I was so excited to address some of my future colleagues in this forum. But it was in Seattle, in March of 2020. Let’s just say I was relieved when the meeting was canceled. I didn’t want to risk getting sick, or worse, bringing back the virus to my elderly and infirm patients in Southern California.
So I recorded that talk (here). It featured some of my most awkward failures, and what they taught me. And the feedback from that recording touched me. One medical student, an aspiring plastic surgeon, told me how she listened to my talk again and again, even as she fell asleep. I do that too… sometimes with guided meditation, other times with an audiobook. Often, I drift off to the voice of someone I admire. And it’s an honor to be able to play that role in your life: to be one of your guides as you traverse your own heroine’s tale.
This podcast will provide a backstage pass to my book. Every other week, I will work my way through the book, introducing each chapter and a personal story around it. I’ll share excerpts of the book, and my own answers to the Spill Your Guts exercises at the end of each chapter. My aim is to remind you, through the sound of my voice, that women not only exist but can thrive in their chosen specialties, even those traditionally known to be boys’ clubs.
The podcast is unedited. It’s real talk. And for now, it’s just me.
Check it out here!
If you like what you hear, please share with a friend, subscribe, and leave a 5-star review!
I hope you enjoy your own.
Let me know how you aim to do that this week in the comments below!
How many awkward comments will you receive, and how many awkward questions will you endure as a woman in a male-dominated field? So many. And sometimes they’ll be prefaced with the cringe-worthy, “I”m not trying to be sexist but…” How do you field them gracefully, so as not to alienate those around you?
The latter question adds insult to injury, doesn’t it? The biased and even blatantly sexist remarks women face in the workplace can be compounded by the backlash they can receive when they (you) respond. Being in an attending role, I’m asked how to handle these kinds of incidents. Here’s a recent example, from a mentee, a medical student traversing her clinical rotations.
She reported: “I’ve enjoyed vascular surgery so far, and they’ve involved me in a lot of procedures! I got to cut a metatarsal this week! I’ve also seen several IR procedures this week, like thrombolysis and an EVAR. It’s been interesting to see how we think through the decision to approach a case at surgery versus in interventional radiology (IR). I mentioned to one of the vascular surgeons that I was interested in IR. He replied “I’m not trying to be sexist but…” then proceeded to tell me that as a woman I shouldn’t choose a surgical specialty and asked how I’d be able to have kids if I pursued IR…”
My response initially was…
That’s why I wrote the book…
I hope it wasn’t traumatizing and basically… I don’t know if you can change him or if it’s worth your time…
But (I’m sad to say,) I’d expect to hear more comments like that in the future.
You could reply or try to stand up for womankind, but depending on that’s received, you could face backlash, like a lackluster mark on that rotation.
Here are some possible responses. I’ll leave it up to you whether you say them in your head or out loud.
But don’t let them derail your dreams either. That’s the tightrope you’ll walk as a woman in training. You can do it. You can probably do it backward in high heels, like Ginger Rogers, or in awkward clogs on 3 hours of sleep. Despite these sexist comments that fly at you, you are strong, and you are worthy. It’s these comments that are all wrong. They’re trash; a product of lazy thinking.
How you choose to respond to sexist behavior is up to you. You don’t have to die on this hill, and you don’t have to slap anyone across the face (you don’t want to expose yourself to droplets). But in the right moment, if you find a receptive ear, you might just find an opportunity to reality test the bias you find, and crush it.
Is it hopeless? No. If I thought it was, I wouldn’t spend all my free time here writing about how you all should join me in male-dominated fields. I think once we as women, (minorities, and non-binary identity folks) reach a critical mass, our presence will become the new normal, and things will continue to slowly change.
It’s not your job to fix anyone. You already have the burden of doing your best every day and learning as much as you possibly can. In the end, it doesn’t matter what some guy (who is wrong) thinks. It’s your plan! They’re your dreams!
I’m not trying to be sexist but… I think women are often better than the guys, because they’re required to work harder for the same level of respect. And when I need a surgeon or specialist one day, I’ll be praying it’s a lady.
Sometimes, I hear from one of you, and it reaffirms what I’ve suspected all along. That you’re still hearing the same old ridiculous garbage comments and advice, as you chase down your dreams in medicine. I got permission to share a recent exchange with a rising star, a fourth-year medical student at the University of North Carolina. Ms. Ainsley Bloomer plans to become an orthopaedic surgeon. Here’s our exchange. Incidents like these leave me thinking, “Seriously, can you believe this guy?!” This is not to say there aren’t a lot of great male advocates out there… but we still have a long way to go to reach gender equity, especially in the male-dominated fields of medicine.
Thank you so much for sharing your passion for your job and your family with the internet. I think it would be super helpful to hear about how one should handle difficult professional situations as a woman in a male-dominated field. If you feel comfortable sharing anecdotes along with tip/tricks for handling tricky to navigate situations, that is a topic I cannot hear enough about. It is great to be able to learn from someone else’s experience.
Thank you for that idea.
Can you tell me more?
What’s a difficult situation you’ve witnessed or experienced yourself?
I recently heard from a mentee that a vascular surgeon told her women shouldn’t do IR, so I planned to respond to that encounter in the form of a post.
If there’s a difficult situation I don’t feel qualified to speak to, maybe I can find a guest to write one.
What stage are you at by the way? Student, resident?
Have a great weekend!
Absolutely! This is something I have thought A LOT about as I hope to one day be a mentor for others as we work to improve our current medical atmosphere. I apologize if this is a lengthy response. But I feel this is something I don’t quite yet have the right words to express. I can provide examples, and I would guess you have a list of your own experiences to share, too.
I am a 4th year medical student at UNC SOM applying into orthopaedics.
Some examples of comments I have received include:
“You’re not strong/big/tall enough to be an orthopaedic surgeon.”
“Do you know all orthopaedics surgeons are men?”
“Why would you want to do that? It’s so labor-intensive and you have to physically work so hard.”
“Do you know it’s really competitive to become an orthopaedic surgeon?”
“Do you think you’re qualified?”
“You’re going to do hand or peds, right? That’s what all the women do.”
Truthfully, these types of comments motivate me more than deter me, especially when I consider the source. I think it’s important to respond in a calm tone and in a leisurely and relaxed way. I think it’s also important to be subtly assertive in your commitment to your field of interest. It’s my hope that over time, we can eliminate discouraging medical stereotypes and open these pathways so that others don’t have to go through the same obstacles in the future.
I think this conversation is so important. There is a theory of learning termed “fire walking” where trainees can learn from the mistakes or experiences of their teachers so they themselves do not have to go through the experience to gain the knowledge. Although there are certain aspects of education we have to work through on our own, some knowledge can be passed down verbally. It really helps to hear an attending level perspective on handling situations whether from a “what I would do” or a “what I wish I would have done” point of view.
The other thing I anticipate hearing in my future career are questions about kids and having a family. I also have seen and experienced some of the tension that can occur between female nurses and female medical students/residents/attendings. This is also something I think would be such a helpful topic to hear about from attendings as to the best way to calm any hostility from the get-go. I aim to be a team player and respectful in every interaction, but sometimes things go sideways, and it is helpful to have the skills to recover from these interactions so we can go back to being productive.
I look forward to hearing more bits of wisdom!
This is great, thank you so much! I have to chew on this a bit, and I’d love to hear your take.
How have you responded to these comments, if at all?
I have a blog post which is specific to interventional radiology in some ways, but covers some overlapping stereotypes. It’s called myths in interventional radiology. I meant it as a myth-buster so people wouldn’t see these discouraging comments or stereotypes as real. I wanted to dismantle them and show their ignorance!
But the post doesn’t deal with how to respond.
I think so often, especially with the power differential as you come up the ranks in medicine, it’s not always possible to give a response. And if the comment hits a nerve, it’s not always possible to give a composed response on the spot. In my experience, that is very hard!
That’s why I think so much of this is internal. What I mean is, women are doing internal workarounds to deal with the biases and put-downs that come their way. And community can be a salve. We need each other just to validate the struggles we face, and support each other, whether in person or virtually. I wonder what you think…
Do you think it’s your responsibility to make the road smoother for everyone who comes after you, by correcting those who make these comments? It’s a noble thing to do, but it’s not required.
And in my opinion, just you being where you are, and doing what you are doing is giving other women permission to do the same. It’s teaching old school and narrow-minded people that it’s not only possible for women to do these things and have these roles, but that it’s going to become the new normal.
Sometimes, others have stood up for me, and that has been a really amazing experience. People who didn’t even know me well have “stood up” on my behalf, and it’s something I will never forget. I hope to be able to do that for others. Sometimes we feel strong and resilient, and sometimes we just don’t. You never know what someone else is going through and what could be their breaking point.
Your point about the rank/ power differential hits the nail on the head.
As to your question, I do not think it is my responsibility to fix others. It’s definitely not my place to correct the person, as I don’t want them to become defensive. I hope that by answering in a relaxed and confident manner, a well-intentioned person might refrain from repeating these discouraging or biased comments to the next person.
In medicine, it seems like we often try to reinvent the wheel, when really, our energy and ability to innovate should move the needle toward progress. There are so many patients to treat, pathophysiologies to explain, and treatments to create, that it feels like such a waste of time to have to defend my career choice and my reason for being here.
Also, I think there is a tendency for those with “softer” personalities, for lack of a better term, who might have been fantastic in a specific career but were pushed into another field because they did not fit the stereotype. Perhaps those of higher rank told them they would not make a “good surgeon/ interventionist/ orthopod,” etc. Maybe all they needed to succeed was a little support, and some experience to buttress their confidence.
I think too for those that don’t fit the stereotype, there is a tendency to feel the need to go above and beyond to prove they deserve to be there.
Sorry… I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, and I can see it from a variety of different angles. My eternal New Year’s resolution is to be more concise.
There’s nothing wrong with your response- it’s a complex topic, and your insights are valuable!
I appreciate your willingness to share because I don’t want it to be me “having the answer” as if I’m speaking from on high- because I don’t have all the answers.
But what you said about people who don’t fit the stereotype being great and missing the chance to be who they were meant to be- that is how I see my former self. I narrowly missed settling for something else, because it’s easy to ‘trust’ people who ‘know more than you’ in medicine. And I think it’s important, as much as you take feedback and examine it, to listen to an inner voice. Clearly, you know what you want to do, and I’m grateful for that! These voices haven’t made your foundation shake.
What do you do, and how do you feel when you’re on the receiving end of comments like this? Share with us in the comments below.
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Won’t I be fine with a doctor’s salary? You might wonder. It was a pretty steep learning curve, and a bit of a smack in the face to learn the stark difference between gross and net pay. That big number you’re working for? It won’t all be yours after the tax bite, so don’t plan to spend it all.
My wakeup call happened as I exited fellowship, and my husband and I planned for a jump in salary from 70k to more than quadruple that. It was up to me to figure out what to do with it. How could we take care of this money? How would we discipline ourselves so we weren’t tempted to spend it? We sat down with a financial advisor to make a money plan. It takes discipline and an education to take care of your new-found and long-awaited earnings!
7 years into my career, I’ve identified some keys factors that contribute to career longevity:
According to recruiters, as many as 70% of physicians across all specialties change jobs within their first two years out of training. Even if you plan to stay where you are, you might benefit from renting first while you learn the area.
The bottom line is, maintaining a home generally costs more than renting. Often, it’s a lot more. So if you still have student debt and aren’t on solid financial footing, consider renting until you are. If you’re still itching to buy a house, read this first.
Make a plan. Don’t put your head in the sand.
Incremental creep is okay. But on the other side is hedonic adaptation. When I was a kid, if we were going anywhere with a pool, I wanted to plan my whole day around enjoying that pool. Now, I have one in my backyard. It’s part of everyday life, and it’s hardly exhilarating. Sometimes it’s really nice to soak in the hot tub, while other times, I don’t go in for months, and it’s just another expense to maintain it. The pool is a great example of hedonic adaptation. You can get used to all kinds of lifestyle upgrades, and go broke doing it. So if you’re aware of this dynamic and plan for it, you can decide how you’ll handle it before you go broke on the hedonic treadmill.
Being selectively cheap can power your financial momentum. Last week, I was chatting about cars with my support staff, in the context of my looking at an electric or plugin-hybrid. When they heard what I was driving, they actually laughed in surprise. They all have newer cars than me. Instead of feeling embarrassed, I felt a little proud. Because it’s my choice. I still enjoy the car I have, and I haven’t had a car payment in years. If you have an area in which you can cut costs, it can help supercharge your financial trajectory.
…but it’s not everything.
In my view, money can buy freedom. Having an accessible pile of money, like a sizable emergency fund, can give you the flexibility and peace of mind we all crave. In The Simple Path to Wealth, J.L.Collins called this extra money, “F-you money.” That’s because it allows you the financial cushion you’d need to make a big move for the sake of your goals or happiness, like walking away from a toxic job or situation. In this era of decreased autonomy, decreased reimbursement, and increased job uncertainty, there’s never been a better time to have F-you money, just in case.
Sometimes, even before you’ve reached a net worth of zero, dropping a few thousand on a special trip or experience can keep you feeling like you’re living for the now, not just the future. When I had a five week stretch off after fellowship, my then-boyfriend, now-husband and I had the chance to backpack around Europe. It was well worth the spend.
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There are a lot of fields in medicine to choose from. How do you find the right place for you? It’s quite the task to figure out where you belong in the medical field, as complex and varied as it is. Even when you find a specialty that lights your fire– one that makes your hair stand on end and that makes all your neurons fire in the best way– how do you know if you really belong there? It’s a pretty high-stakes decision, choosing the right career. No pressure… pick the right career, or else.
Despite women comprising more than half of medical school students, there are still many fields that seem to repel women. So if you’re interested in urology for instance, how do you keep from being repelled for the wrong reasons?
Women are clustering in to pediatrics, OBGYN, and other *relatively* lower-paying specialties: think endocrinology. If you are truly driven to be in one of these specialties, then you’re following your true north, and the work itself can be part of the benefits package. But what if you choose in part because… well, it seems easier to work with some other female colleagues around? Or because some attending physicians ‘advise’ you to choose something ‘easier’ than the field you really like?
I’ve noticed that no one talks about the gender pay gap- the huge, yawning gap that arises from women clustering in certain specialties. Take a look at this study. It says as women enter a field in increasing numbers, there is a tipping point at which it loses its alpha allure, men stop entering the field, and pay FALLS. This article made my head hurt. But it also reaffirmed the virtue of pursing the right field based on the work, not the demographics. If you choose a ‘woman-friendly’ field, beware of the pay cut that often comes along with it.
I talked about this article with Bonnie Koo on her podcast, WealthyMomMD. Check it out:
The other reason I’m interested in career choice is because I think it behooves you to pick what fuels you most. Medicine is demanding, so you might as well choose the field that puts you in a time warp. The one where you forget that clocks exist, and you emerge from a case or interaction as if from a spell. That’s what happened to me recently, as I attended to a trauma patient who needed angiography of multiple body parts. He was a one-man code “triage,” and the surgeons and I masterminded minute to minute, in order to figure out what needed to be done next, as his blood pressure floated from the nineties to the seventies systolic.
When administration makes a decision that makes my eyes roll, what keeps me going is knowing I’m doing some real good in my work. Knowing I’m using my skills and talents at the highest level to help patients is fulfilling, despite the difficulties in our current medical environment. Being the only one in the hospital who can help in a specific way, using my specific skillset, makes me feel like a critical part of the team. And no one can devalue that.
This is what helps keep burnout at bay. It’s what makes going in at 10 pm for an emergency a duty, not a burden.
I’m worried burnout, especially in women, though multifactorial, can come from settling. Settling on a career based on extrinsic, rather than intrinsic factors. That’s why the message of my book is to choose the field that fits you best, and ignites you the most. Settling seems a recipe for disengagement and burnout.
3. Maybe, but it’ll cost you dearly.
If you don’t like your job, it’ll cost in career satisfaction. That is a major bummer after all that time spent in school and training, not to mention those student loans!
If you need to change course and apply for a new residency, that’s okay. Lots of successful people have done it. It’s worth a year or three up front, if that pivot lands you where you truly belong.
If you have an idea of the area of medicine you’d like to practice in, and you grow out of it or realize it’s not quite what you thought, it’s okay.
If you think, “Why do a fellowship when it’ll cost me a year of attending salary?” I’d say the investment is worth it if fellowship gets you where you want to be. To do a fellowship, you’ll earn maybe $70k, maybe more with moonlighting, if that’s an option. You could be earning $200-300k as an attending though, so you’re “losing” $140k or more, right? NO!
Not if that fellowship brings your earning potential higher! If fellowship garners you an extra $50k per year (say, on average, even if this is oversimplified), then over a 20 year career, that’s a million dollars in gross earnings. In these decisions, keep the long view in mind, or it’ll cost you!
That’s why I wrote Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own. To help guide you toward the right decision. It will help you sift through your talents to realize how much exploring you need to do. The book will prompt you to spill your guts (my journaling exercises) so you can dig beneath the surface, below other people’s expectations of you, to what you really desire in your career.
A key component of making a living and building the life you want will be career longevity. If you don’t love what you do, it won’t be long before everything else becomes more important… your partner’s career, your kids… and what will be left of your career? It’ll become low priority. It’ll get what’s left over.
If you practice something you truly enjoy and can grow into, you’ll be poised for a career that’s as long as you want (and you need) it to be. If you keep working, especially as a primary breadwinner, your family can enjoy the financial security that comes from your ongoing ability to earn.
Getting bored is a thing, even in medicine. And if you stop feeling stimulated and engaged by your work, it can become a slog. So word to the wise, from someone who is entering her seventh year as an attending, go for a specialty that feels like a bit of a reach. Take a leap of faith into something that intimidates and stretches you a bit. Because that big, beautiful brain of yours might get bored of something if it loses its challenge. I’ve seen it in others.
Was I intimidated by all there was to learn in interventional radiology? Heck yeah, I was. There were the procedures, the equipment, radiation physics, not to mention the male-dominated side conversations I couldn’t relate to. Sometimes, it seemed like too much to learn. Still, I knew it was the right career for me, despite the added challenges I saw. It’s not always easy choosing the right career, but it sure is worth it. I did it, and you can too.
Let me know what you think by leaving a comment below.
‘Till next time!
This post is inspired by a post on Twitter from @ermss_h, who in case you didn’t know, is Emma Humphrey, an EMT and “M0” according to her profile. Does that mean about to enter medical school? In any case, here’s her tweet, and my answer. It’s easy to love interventional radiology.
For those of you in #MedTwitter, what specialty of medicine are you in/interested in? Why did you choose it?— Emma Humphrey (@ermss_h) November 3, 2020
There isn’t an easy way to substitute the feeling of working with your hands, and in interventional radiology (IR), and specialties like it, you can do just that. Did you like crafting, making bracelets, or perhaps video games when you were younger? These are all gateway activities to becoming a proceduralist or surgeon. And to be honest, my day to day manipulation of catheter and wire come pretty close to video games.
Using minimally invasive techniques means that in my field, we use the lowest impact access known to do the work, get in and get out! That often means a quicker recovery, less pain, and less cost for the patient (and the system)!
Is there a lymphatic leak with a refractory chylous effusion? Thoracic trauma or surgery can cause these, and we can often fix them in the interventional suite.
Got gastric varices? Gastroenterology can do a lot, but they can’t reach varies in the fundus. Interventional radiologists can help by placing a TIPS, a trans jugular intrahepatic portosystemic shunt. Or, a coil or plug assisted transvenous obliteration of varices (CARTO or PARTO) might suit the patient better. Better call an IR!
When there are bleeding vessels in the pelvis which are hard to reach or too small to see at surgery, surgeons send them to angio. IR can help.
If you call me at 2 a.m., I’ll engage. Whether it’s a pelvic crush injury or a splenic bleed, I can save a life. With IR’s endovascular techniques, we can watch the patient’s vitals switch from tenuous to robust in a matter of minutes.
The “territory” I work in spans from the neck to the toes. How amazing is that? Because of this fact, you can be the belle of the ball in the doctors’ lounge. My friends and collaborators range from hospitalists to oncologists, surgeons to pathologists… the list goes on!
When you are part of such a young, nimble specialty, you can almost watch it evolve in real time. You can witness as advances are made, and even be in a position to invent a new procedure or device yourself!
I’ll end with quote from Ziv Haskal, the outgoing and ultra-successful Editor of the Journal of Vascular & Interventional Radiology:
“IR began as—and still is—the coolest specialty in medicine. It focuses on extraordinary things never done before that astonish, and ideally, gradually become routine and mundane, offered to all.”Dr. Ziv Haskal
Dr. Haskal and my colleagues in medicine know, it’s a point of pride and a pleasure to bring these minimally invasive treatments to the masses.
You can see why it’s easy to love interventional radiology. What other specialties are you considering alongside IR?
Women in male-dominated fields can feel isolated. As an interventional radiologist, there have been countless times I was the only female physician in the room. And the demographics in orthopaedic surgery are even more skewed! This spurred Dr. Nancy Yen Shipley, the subject of this post, to start her podcast. She named it for the tiny proportion of women in orthopaedics: she called it The 6%. On her podcast, she interviews successful women across the spectrum of male-dominated industries, from sports trainers to film directors, CEOs to mechanics. And of course, her fellow physicians. It’s a multidisciplinary approach to the subject, and I think it’s brilliant! Because in my opinion, women in fields like ours have a lot to share across disciplines.
Dr. Yen Shipley and I connected on Twitter when I randomly saw her Tweet announcing her new project– this idea for the podcast she’d been harboring for some time. As her ortho practice slowed down during COVID-19, she decided that it was as good a time as any to get the podcast out into the world!
When I saw her announcement, I had to meet her, and DM’ed her immediately. That’s how I came to be a guest on The 6% (Season 2, Episode 5). In our conversation, we talk about “Leading Differently as Women.” In our episode, you’ll hear more about my back story, and factors that propelled me into the field that I love so much! We chat about how nerdy (yet gratifying) it is to read about leadership in your spare time, and how women can navigate the different expectations placed on them as leaders, especially in male-dominated fields.
And here’s the episode page where you can see an outline and take a listen.
Dr. Yen Shipley, a.k.a. “NancyMD,” is an example of a real-life superheroine in the world of orthopaedics. Once I’d met her, I had to interview her for my book, Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own: Finding Your Place in Medicine. In case you gotten your copy yet, the book contains soundbites from women across the surgically-oriented fields, from OB to ortho, and of course, IR.
As I mention on the podcast, and as I blog about here— empowering ourselves as female physicians isn’t just about being treated fairly in our careers. It’s about empowering ourselves financially as well. NancyMD, like me, is a female breadwinner and mother.
Here’s a little more about her:
Well you can! On Thursday, 11/19 at 8 p.m. Eastern/ 5 p.m. Pacific Time, she’ll be presenting a live virtual event in partnership with the digital lending platform, Laurel Road. She’ll speak on her journey to becoming an orthopaedic surgeon, and how she’s learned to manage her finances along the way. The event will aim to inspire those entering and establishing themselves in medicine to take control of their own finances.
NancyMD describes herself as a financial “late bloomer,” and I can’t wait to hear more about why she says that, and what she’s learned!
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The event is: “Jumping Into Your Financial Journey: Q+A with NancyMD”
On: Thursday, Nov. 19 at 8 pm Eastern/ 5 pm Pacific Time
The conversation will be geared toward medical students, but the event is open to all!
I’ll be there!
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As an interventional radiologist at a trauma center, I also happen to be a human and a mom. You might wonder, how do I balance the sometimes demanding, unpredictable schedule of emergency call with the rest of my life? Well, I take a week off nearly every month, for a total of 10 weeks per year. That might sound like a lot, when you’re used to 3 or 4 weeks off per year as a trainee! So what does a momma doc actually do with all this time off? Here the top 10 things you’ll find me doing in my spare time.
1. I’ll extend my morning routine. This might involve sleeping an extra few minutes, but I don’t sleep in like I used to pre-child. I get my little man ready and off to pre-school by 8:30. We have some time for coffee, breakfast, and potty. This gives my husband a break, since he does toddler mornings when I’m working.
2. On a week off, I’ll head to some appointments. Whether I need a skin check at the derm, new tires, or a sit-down with my accountant, it’s all part of self-care as a mom who also works outside the home! And every week off is an opportunity to see my therapist, who helps me with relationships and stress management.
3. Eat healthy food. I fast until 11, then fill up on some eggs and avocado toast. If I crave something sweet or feel like a bottomless pit, I might make a protein shake from Body Love.
4. Whether I’m working or not, I blog. When I’m off, I have more time to brainstorm upcoming topics to share here. I’ll also write drafts, edit, format, and publish posts. I used to plunk down at a coffee shop for a few hours at a time to do this, but I’ve gotten more efficient with practice.
5. Manage the finances. I look at all our accounts, and make sure the money is going where it’s supposed to. How is my 401k balance doing? Do I need to reinvest some dividends? How’s our progress toward savings goals? Or do I have excess cash lying around, looking for a job?
6. Most days, I aim to get outside with my little dude, who is three. Whether we head to the park after school, or visit our equine friends at the local stables, we make it a point to get out for some desert sunshine.
7. Hang out as a family. This can involve a trip to the local air museum, bubbles in the backyard, or recording the latest musical sensation in our little studio.
8. In the evening, I’ll sign and send some copies of Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own. I love my label printer, which reminds me of my play cash register as a kid. Any chance I can feel like I’m playing is a win!
9. Strategize how to reach more people with my book and its message. This involves researching people of influence like medical school Deans and podcast producers, so I can introduce myself.
10. Though most weeks during the pandemic involve staying home, my list had to include checking off a bucket list item. A recent example: I’d been dreaming of seeing Grand Teton National Park for a decade. So I convinced my husband to get on board, and we piled in for our first socially-distanced RV adventure, traveling from Palm Springs, California to Jackson, Wyoming.
Was it worth the drive? Heck yeah, it was! I relished the change of scenery in a whole new way I don’t think I could have pre-COVID.
Medical training teaches you to put your nose down and work for long-term gains and delayed rewards. But after training comes the rest of your life, and it’s finite. So don’t forget to assemble your own Grand To-Do List, and start checking things off!
What’s on your bucket list?
What are you most likely to do on a week off, once the laundry is done, and you’ve called your mom?
Tell me in the comments below!
I’m beyond pleased to tell you, I’ve completed my book giveaway as part of the launch of my new book, Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own. I’ve sent over 700 books around the globe, from the US to Switzerland, Nigeria to Saudi Arabia, and Hong Kong to Australia. This process involved a steep learning curve. Sometimes I fought with my email service provider, other times I was running to Staples for a critical roll of label tape. Sometimes I had a surge of energy, personalizing an inscription by first name, wishing them success in their career and beyond! Other times my signature looked like a middle school boy’s boxy scrawl, signaling the fatigue I didn’t realize was creeping in. All of this was actually a part of an ideal week for me. Why?
Because as I signed and packed each book, I knew it had the potential to change the course of someone’s future career. I knew each little package could contain just the encouragement the recipient needed to become the next superstar in medicine.
Once, a mentee asked me what an ideal week looked like for me, as an IR. It’s an interesting question, and it varies from week to week. Since I spend most of my work life at a level 2 trauma center in the community, I’ll describe my ideal week there. As to my ideal week off, that looks pretty different, so I’ll write about that next. It definitely deserves its own blog post.
My ideal week as an IR involves coming in each day at 8 am. I’m on call through the night, and the ideal week involves racing in once per week to rescue a bleeding trauma, whether from a pelvic crush injury or a liver laceration. The best weeks for me include a moment where I sweat: I race to fix the bleed as fast as I can.
Since I thrive on the variety of cases in private practice at my insitution, the ideal week also includes a uterine artery embolization with peri-procedural management and follow up. It involves a few image guided biopsies, where I can stretch my ultrasound skills a bit, and perhaps a thermal ablation of locoregional disease, like a liver metastasis. I love doing peripheral arterial work, and I recently had the pleasure of taking over a case from a colleague, where he thrombolysed, or dissolved clot in the popliteal artery harboring an underlying aneurysm. I was able to exclude the aneurysm with a well-positioned stent-graft.
My ideal week involves bread and butter cases like permcath & port placements, declots, bone biopsies, and abscess drainages. Every case is an opportunity to hone my techniques, with the goal of operating as painlessly and stealthily as possible. Routine cases also allow for time to teach my growing team about peri-procedural management for common procedures.
A typical week involves going home anywhere between 3 pm and 8 pm when I’m on call. At my hospital, one IR is responsible for all the work that comes in, so we leave when the work is done. There is a typical rhythm to each week: I stay a bit later on Mondays and Fridays, while the mid-week days are (a bit) more predictable. Even on call, I might meet a friend for dinner, as I did the other day.
When I’m not catching up with a friend, most nights I’m headed home. Thursday nights my husband teaches a music lesson, so sometimes I’m rushing home just in time to be with my little boy as my husband starts his lesson. We eat and play, this week, rolling a rubber ball around the living room. Wes takes a bath while I shower, then he demands a late night snack as I try to brush his teeth.
After our little sprite is down, my husband watches some of a movie, while I listen to a mindset recording. We prepare to get some rest!
Mornings involve a pot of coffee and a simple routine before I’m out the door. I have a blessedly short commute of less than 10 minutes to our local hospital, and I appreciate that every day. Side note: I highly recommend you take this into account as you choose a job and place to live, when the time comes. A shorter commute= a better quality of life!
At work, I supervise residents who are interested in learning simple procedures like paracentesis, catheter removal, and the like. They pop in and out of my procedures when they can, and they come to me with questions. Though I don’t have radiology or IR residents, I enjoy the teaching and interaction that occurs at my community teaching hospital with trainees of different stripes.
During room turnaround time, or during quiet moments, I might type up a blog post like this one, or edit, or format one. I might call a plumber or make an appointment to see my accountant on my next week off. There’s usually some space in the day to have a phone call with a colleague, answer some emails, or complete a task for my committee work with the Society of Interventional Radiology.
In summary, my ideal week at work involves some straightforward cases mixed with a breadth of challenging cases and consults. I truly enjoy my work, and generally don’t feel it encroaches too much on family or personal time. Even during busy weeks, there is plenty of time for sleep and basic self-care.
I always sit down for lunch, but the specific time varies, since I squeeze it in between cases. During my break, I chat with colleagues in the doctors’ lounge about our patients in common, hospital politics, and life. Each day, as long as I eat lunch and have time for tea, I feel like I’m taking care of myself, no matter how hard I’m working.
An ideal week is one in which I feel I did the best work I could, and no one got hurt. It’s one in which I feel in sync with my colleagues, and we have a chance to talk about the practice and any issues at hand. If I got to save a life or help a patient understand their condition better, that’s icing on the cake.
What’s your ideal week like right now? Or, what do you think your ideal week SHOULD look like? Build the ideal week for you, and you might just find it out there in the job market!
Share your thoughts by leaving a comment below.
And a final note for this week: THANK YOU to all the sponsors who bought books for students and trainees around the globe! I couldn’t have accomplished this without them.
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I’m beyond pleased to tell you, I’ve completed my book giveaway as part of the launch of my new book, Save Lives, Enjoy Your Own. I’ve sent over 700 books around the globe, from the US to Switzerland, Nigeria to Saudi Arabia, and Hong Kong to Australia. This process involved a steep learning curve. Sometimes […]
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